"As a gay man, I would agree with the person who wrote this if it weren't for the fact that regardless of how you treat your sexuality (privately or publicly) it should have nothing to do with your rights as an individual in this country. It's true, there are many gays who do feel inferior about who and what they are, But only because they were told to believe it for years and years by others who assumed they the right to tell people what was normal and what was not in our society (sound like anyone you know?). "

"Gay here... I have to agree with what you just said, mainly because I think a lot of it is (damn right) true... Just hits me to the bones... But you also have to consider, that the reason why we were in hiding is because we DID (and still do) feel inferior. The society has a norm on what a guy/girl should be and what other things are "perfect", and of course you cannot blame us to feel that even even if we shout to the world how gay we are/ Yes, maybe we can't accept the fact that we lost on Nov. 4 that's why we're trying to make ourselves feel better, but if Proposition 8 did not pass, what would you do??? I think you would do the same thing: Make yourself feel better by trying to forget about loss and hurt. Yes, we are pretty loud about it. We're pretty loud about our sexuality and I think you're right when you say we should keep it private... And maybe that's what we should change ourselves. But what about other people who bash us? Who look on us head to toe just because we're not like them? People who are the root cause why we feel small? Shouldn't they change as well? We can keep listing things of what should and should be. This is really complicated. But your opinion is greatly appreciated. I just hope everyone listens and understands...."

"There is nothing hateful in it. I'm only suggesting that you could more effectively push your agenda of being accepted by toning it down.

Are homosexuals actually under the impression that the majority of California voters are hateful, backwards, and un-educated? It's not true. What is true is that most gays see morality and rules in highly subjective (i.e. non black-and white) terms. Therefore, the fact that prop 8 was approved in a free and fair election process seems more "relative" to them than most others. In a democracy, when the majority votes in a fair public election, the results are generally viewed as black and white. After all, nobody is saying that we should go to the courts and try to get them to overturn Obama's presidential win. That would immediately marginalize any individual or group trying to do that. But not the gays. Yet, when voters made the decision to support prop 8 (notice I'm not saying I supported it), gays hit the street and showed more vitriol and hate than their adversaries. This only confirms to their adversaries that they were justified in their decision to deny rights to gays.

You can call me hateful or whatever, but I'm not. I'm just telling you how most people see it, but are afraid to speak up for fear that the Orwellian hate police might show up and throw them in jail. You would think the gays would be most opposed to such censorship, but they are not."

"I'm the author of the original post. There is nothing hateful in it. I'm only suggesting that you could more effectively push your agenda of being accepted by toning it down. I have quite a few gay friends and have worked with many gays. In my experience, most of them say things that would not be tolerated if said by a hetero. In the politically correct arena, gays are a protected class. They can say or do just about whatever they want, and if you disagree, you are labeled as hateful or backwards and un-educated. It's lazy and intellectually disingenuous to fall back on those particular characterizations when dealing with someone who doesn't agree with you. Are homosexuals actually under the impression that the majority of California voters are hateful, backwards, and un-educated? It's not true.
What is true is that most gays see morality and rules in highly subjective (i.e. non black-and white) terms. Therefore, the fact that prop 8 was approved in a free and fair election process seems more "relative" to them than most others. In a democracy, when the majority votes in a fair public election, the results are generally viewed as black and white. After all, nobody is saying that we should go to the courts and try to get them to overturn Obama's presidential win. That would immediately marginalize any individual or group trying to do that. But not the gays. Yet, when voters made the decision to support prop 8 (notice I'm not saying I supported it), gays hit the street and showed more vitriol and hate than their adversaries. This only confirms to their adversaries that they were justified in their decision to deny rights to gays. You can call me hateful or whatever, but I'm not. I'm just telling you how most people see it, but are afraid to speak up for fear that the Orwellian hate police might show up and throw them in jail. You would think the gays would be most opposed to such censorship, but they are not"

"Wow. Your tolerance for others who don't exactly agree with you is so refreshing. Aren't fags always talking about tolerance? I guess it only means tolerance for you and your boyfriend and people who agree with you."

"hee hee. you're gay and you're insecure about it. hahahahahahahahahahahaha."